Curse

Oggy · May 26, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

so to clarify for everyone, using a multi-launcher which JUST allows you to open two GW clients or using texmod which basically opens an image and binds it to the gamescreen whenever you open your big map is fine but if a program changes the code in the game (which I guess would be the dat file?) then it's not allowed and you WILL be banned for it.

Am I getting that right?

You have to change some of the GW code to run 2x instances of GW.

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Listen.. Texmod does not alter gameplay, it substitutes textures, has never been pursued as an illegal third party program.

Multi-launchers also have not been pursued as an illegal 3rd party program because they are used primarily to transfer items between accounts.

Drunkard bot IS however a bot that provides in game benefit and has been stated as being illegal.

Gaile and the support team have said this over and over and over. I don't see that position changing any time soon.

Linkplx?

Hellick Stoner · May 26, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

It means we can back our bans up by evidence.
If people feel they were wrongfully banned, they should contact support.

Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.

Coverticus · May 26, 2010, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Wynthyst

Listen.. Texmod does not alter gameplay, it substitutes textures, has never been pursued as an illegal third party program.

Multi-launchers also have not been pursued as an illegal 3rd party program because they are used primarily to transfer items between accounts.

Drunkard bot IS however a bot that provides in game benefit and has been stated as being illegal.

Gaile and the support team have said this over and over and over. I don't see that position changing any time soon.

Appreciated Wyn but TexMod does actually alter the client via DLL injection techniques, as does many other 3rd party programs. This is why people, including myself, are now asking for a clarification by ANet as to precisely what these programs are from a ban perspective.

jonnieboi05 · May 26, 2010, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. In its original state, programs like Multi Launch or Texmod, will not fall afoul of the banhammer, however changes to those programs, instances where people have modified the original code--there are no guarantees. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.

That doesn't answer anything. >______<

KSMoD works by altering the client, yet it gives literally no unfair advantages. Is this considered a violation? If you are not sure what KSMod is, it lets you enhance the graphics of your Guild Wars by forcing all textures to show in high quality.

Rolain · May 26, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.

The american legal system at work. Try emailing support.

Gondrakif · May 26, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by mini pet monster

LOLOLOL

DO ALMOST NOTHING FOR 6 MONTHS. THEN WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH OF EM, BAN EM ALL!!!

seriously, you killed the best pvpers

if they were the best they wouldn't need/use bots

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Originally Posted by mini pet monster

the richest gw players

there is a powertrading bot???

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Originally Posted by mini pet monster

and 1000s of people that loved this game. gratz.

if they loved this game they would be playing it themselves instead of having bots doing that for them...

Well the fact is there were a lot of bots in the game and with no actions from Anet they would increase. Let's be real there is no possible way of banning so many botters without getting false-positives and IMO it is worth it. Besides i trust support can help those false-positives get their accounts back.

Stuart444 · May 26, 2010, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You have to change some of the GW code to run 2x instances of GW.

having never used the program, I wouldn't know but I do remember one program doing it by copying the dat file and making two versions of the .exe file. That doesn't sound like changing the code to me unless it injected code into the .dat file.

That said I haven't used it so I wouldn't know, I'm just guessing based on what I've seen/heard

shoyon456 · May 26, 2010, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.

I lol'd. Even if you were wrongfully banned, they do have account reports that would indicate certain things. Anet didn't just ban people with absolutely no reason.

I'm no law student, but I'm sure a judge would die of a heart attack seeing this on his desk.

Hollygen · May 26, 2010, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment

prey monkie · May 26, 2010, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

No offense, but that's a little vague. Could we get a simple "texmod = safe" or "GWx2 = ban"?

yeah totally agree wtb answer

Oggy · May 26, 2010, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

having never used the program, I wouldn't know but I do remember one program doing it by copying the dat file and making two versions of the .exe file. That doesn't sound like changing the code to me unless it injected code into the .dat file.

That said I haven't used it so I wouldn't know, I'm just guessing based on what I've seen/heard

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ars-id1837.php

End · May 26, 2010, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. In its original state, programs like Multi Launch or Texmod, will not fall afoul of the banhammer, however changes to those programs, instances where people have modified the original code--there are no guarantees. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.

Still no mention of KSmod...which needs DLL injection...which from what im hearing is how you were detecting bots..a rumor ofc...but a thought../i suppose emily covered that...

Bob Slydell · May 26, 2010, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I got over it in around five minutes, after I'd finished thinking, "Well shit, should've used other account." But I like staying here to argue with you, for a while.

You got what your smug ass deserved and you're probably in denial, I wouldn't doubt it.

Del · May 26, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Sierraa

It is a dead game. Compare it to when it first came out and it has less activity.

dying, not dead.

Joe Fierce · May 26, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Hollygen

Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment

Finally, drunkard bot?

NerfHerder · May 26, 2010, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.

I hate to burst your bubble but you signed this agreement, we all did...

14. TERMINATION

(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game(s) as described in the Rules of Conduct.

Should NC Interactive decide to suspend or terminate this Agreement with a User under any circumstances, the User will lose access to your Account.

(b) You agree that if the Service or your Account is suspended, terminated or cancelled for any reason or length of time, you are not entitled to any reimbursement or refund of any fees or unused access time.

And if you want to take it up with customer support, I dont think threats are going to help your case.

BLOODGOAT · May 26, 2010, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Hollygen

Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment

bleh
I feel sorry for them having to answer repeat questions but they wouldn't have to if they weren't so vague on their responses, and didn't side-step simple "yes" or "no" questions.

sixdartbart · May 26, 2010, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Finally, drunkard bot?

Sounds like an obvious cheat, doesn't it?

JR · May 26, 2010, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Finally, drunkard bot?

She gave a list of the third party applications that are ok. Drunkard was not on that list, so I would assume it is not - unsurprisingly so given how it works.

Bob Slydell · May 26, 2010, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Finally, drunkard bot?

No, because the ones above give you no absoulte advantage to the game and closest: TexMod.. just modifies textures in direct x memory layer, so it really dosen't even touch Guild Wars.

What you are asking is still a no no because it is a form of "let the bot do it for me while I do something else" which is one thing they have never tolerated.

I hope people stop asking now.... there is a strong difference than the 4 Emily mentioned and the drunkard bot..

EDIT: By the way does anyone actually think TexMod was designed for and only works with Guild Wars? Well to answer that, no it was never even designed for GW, the author probably never intended it to, probably never heard of Guild Wars and yes TexMod works with other games.